tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post1305476501227662107..comments2023-11-05T03:34:05.463-08:00Comments on The Vegan Street Blog from the Vegan Feminist Agitator: The PETA EffectMarlahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17051769657129028820noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-34600406348866065622010-11-26T14:49:45.246-08:002010-11-26T14:49:45.246-08:00You write very well and I couldn't agree more ...You write very well and I couldn't agree more with you. I swore that I am never going to donate a single penny to PETA. There are a lot more animal rights organizations in US that are much more diplomatic in their approach and that truly stand for what veganism means - no exploitation of whatever species.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07393800873834036418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-88410446594533761772010-09-19T04:31:44.088-07:002010-09-19T04:31:44.088-07:00Agree with everything
Barefoot said, and than som...Agree with everything <br />Barefoot said, and than some. i joined your site and can't wait to share with friends.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02794306985732562602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-80142251129021377532010-08-12T20:21:00.513-07:002010-08-12T20:21:00.513-07:00I liked your last article, but this one was so goo...I liked your last article, but this one was so good, I might be a little in love with you right now. I've been researching veganism and haven't been able to find anything inside the US that isn't linked to PETA. Its been maddening. Every site, every article comes back to them somehow. I've been looking at stuff from the UK, just to avoid the PETA. Have you done a blog on alternative sources of community/information? Or might one be coming?barefeethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03083901950476044682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-22259778536094830702010-06-01T06:30:37.879-07:002010-06-01T06:30:37.879-07:00Please click on my "Boobies!" link if yo...Please click on my "Boobies!" link if you have time! There is a picture ...Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-23947415279402257072010-05-30T07:31:11.855-07:002010-05-30T07:31:11.855-07:00Great post!
Thanks for your perspective (and for ...Great post!<br /><br />Thanks for your perspective (and for writing the truth of what many of us wish to say and haven't yet found the voice to do so).<br /><br />Rock on...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-28258388623099278592010-05-25T08:48:02.498-07:002010-05-25T08:48:02.498-07:00Many salient points here, Johnny. Thanks for shari...Many salient points here, Johnny. Thanks for sharing. I actually do think that PETA IS that manipulative with their naked volunteers. I remember a photo from the Tribune a couple of years ago with a naked woman downtown; I remember the look on her face. She looked so nervous and scared and all around her were these leering, pointing, smirking construction workers. It was so sad and that photo pretty much summed up their very lost message.Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17051769657129028820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-82790411032837244172010-05-25T08:37:51.724-07:002010-05-25T08:37:51.724-07:00I just spent much of the past weekend at the Chica...I just spent much of the past weekend at the Chicago Green Festival, tabling for the vegan cause. PETA was there, too, with a (presumably) naked woman taking a shower while surrounded by a curtain around most of her torso and thighs. The point, I believe, was supposed to be that a vegan could take a shower all day and still not use as much water as someone who eats a lot of meat. It is a great statistic, and I have to admit there is a point to illustrating it out for people. But it didn't seem to meet its ostensible objectives. <br /><br />The Green Festival crowd is not the typical group of oogling bachelor party types that would be titillated by that sort of thing. Most people there seemed to be giving the booth a wide berth, not because they oppose veganism (we had great enthusiastic crowds at our booth), but because they felt a little embarrassed about the display or didn't want to be seen as un-PC. At any rate, It seemed like the intended message was lost in the display. Whether people were avoiding or oogling, they didn't appear to be focusing a lot of attention on the printed words on the wall behind her.<br /><br />I actually thought it was clever the first time PETA used nudity. It was the Go-Go's posing behind a banner with the "I'd Rather Go Naked Than Wear Fur". It was kind of arresting, and, at the time, it was something new and different. But since then, they keep trotting out naked people (overwhelmingly young attractive females) for every issue. <br /><br />This seriously bugs me on two levels - first, the obvious: if veganism is a stand against the abuse and exploitation of animals, and we accept the notion that humans are animals, then trotting naked women out to be leered at is not, at its heart, vegan. In the farm animal world, the females get the worst of it. Egg laying hens, as a group, suffer more than anyone, and gestating sows and dairy cattle have it almost as bad. <br /><br />New vegans are often filled with very strong emotions and a profound desire to help right the wrong that is animal exploitation. While this desire is the driving force that has given the vegan community its outsized voice, it can also open up new vegans to the opportunity to be exploited themselves: "What can I do for the animals?" "Well, you have a cute body. You could take off your clothes and spend a couple of hours in this cage. It would really send a strong message to people about animal exploitation" "well, I don't know if I can..." "Oh, come on, it's for the animals. You don't want to hurt the animals, do you?" I doubt it's usually this blunt, but I equally doubt that all of these young women are natural exhibitionists. I once saw three PETA activists humiliated on the Howard Stern Show, and it made me sad for them, for all vegans, for all women, and for myself. Did that horrific episode save any animals? Is the world more enlightened because of the porno sites that have sprung up showing images of naked PETA protesters? Do they expect that the guy masturbating in front of his computer in the middle of the night is going to suddenly have an epiphany and become a vegan?<br /><br />The other reason it bugs me, which really gets to me almost as bad, is the tactics stunning lack of creativity. PETA has a lot of money and influence. There are so many better ways they could put this all to use than exploiting their own employees and volunteers. But when your only tool is a naked woman, every problem starts to look like a leering voyeur. <br /><br />PETA has done some wonderful work over the years. And they will do a lot more in the future. But they're not going to give up on the naked woman thing until they see that it's doing them more harm than good. Hopefully, this article and surrounding comments will help move things in that direction.VeganManiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10488182632304575272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-53345627925075286982010-05-25T02:40:48.883-07:002010-05-25T02:40:48.883-07:00Hi, Elaine -
Welcome and thank you for your kind...Hi, Elaine - <br /><br />Welcome and thank you for your kind words. Yes, tactics matter. I agree that they (as in PETA) gets attention, but at what cost. I would love to see a sociological study of the impact of PETA on attitudes about vegearianism/dominionism. For as many people as they enlighten about an issue, I'd love to see how many people they turn off completely because of their abrasiveness/misogyny. Anyway, Elaine, thanks again!Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17051769657129028820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-3714461024221375082010-05-25T02:37:31.338-07:002010-05-25T02:37:31.338-07:00Hi, Tasha!
I know: PETA was responsible for many...Hi, Tasha! <br /><br />I know: PETA was responsible for many of us. Meet Your Meat was the sort of solid, smart communications work that really broke through to people. Unfortunately, with them you are expected to take a whole lot of BS these days to get to anything of value. I'm just not willing to anymore. There are other organizations that do what they used to do well without all the baggage. :) You rock my socks off, too, VV!Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17051769657129028820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-73408859661594399292010-05-24T07:50:32.507-07:002010-05-24T07:50:32.507-07:00Just discovered your blog. I like it very much, t...Just discovered your blog. I like it very much, this post in particular. Tactics matter. PETA needs to learn that. Although, one has to admit, their strategy does gain a lot of attention...Elainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02883685141057444220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-91060111083397856832010-05-20T08:37:10.934-07:002010-05-20T08:37:10.934-07:00THIS IS AWESOME! Marla, this is one of the reasons...THIS IS AWESOME! Marla, this is one of the reasons your blog is one of my favorites. You never cease to rock my socks off!<br /><br />Like my vegans, my 'point of entry' into animal rights was PETA. I actually credit them for making me 'see the light' because it was their film Meet your Meat that did it for both me and Cody. But...very soon after that did I come to despise them. Sexism, racism, hypocrisy, UGHG!The Voracious Veganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509936161614394899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-27562447033837323022010-05-20T08:00:16.606-07:002010-05-20T08:00:16.606-07:00Hey, VB, thank you and that's great news. We n...Hey, VB, thank you and that's great news. We need to stand up to misogyny in all its forms. It's less tolerable from organizations that fight for compassionate treatment of others. <br /><br />Thank you, Allyson!<br /><br />Thanks, Proud Womon. I really appreciate your feedback. I wish things were different. <br /><br />Booobies indeed, Vanilla Rose. I just got a chance to see your blog. How fun! I can't wait to explore it a little more.Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17051769657129028820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-20533059589056492032010-05-20T05:25:27.442-07:002010-05-20T05:25:27.442-07:00Booobies!!!!<a href="http://vanillarosetangents.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow">Booobies!!!!</a>Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-20163915082735527832010-05-19T23:35:03.693-07:002010-05-19T23:35:03.693-07:00how wonderfully articulate and refreshing... i'...how wonderfully articulate and refreshing... i've only recently stumbled on your blog but love reading your posts - i echo your anger - treatment of vegans is pretty much the same here in australia...<br /><br />thank you sister! keep on weaving those beautiful words...proud womonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04469068903173524980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-60959518088789943422010-05-19T13:05:10.849-07:002010-05-19T13:05:10.849-07:00well said :)well said :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-799660367320178164.post-81088305236095590592010-05-19T10:23:32.667-07:002010-05-19T10:23:32.667-07:00Great post, Marla! And so timely. I recently had a...Great post, Marla! And so timely. I recently had a long email exchange with a blog friend who was considering writing for elephant, the Buddhist blogazine. As a feminist, she was very conflicted about elephant's promotion of PETA and was not sure she'd be comfortable associating herself with such sexism and misogyny. I was quite honored that she sought out my opinion; ultimately, she did decide against writing for them.Vegan Burnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647418989761380056noreply@blogger.com